Friday, June 26, 2015

Really not just another RJ

As many of you have noted, one of the aircraft in last time's shot is not a regional jet. Let's see that shot again:

There is a hint in the photo: one of the airplanes is marked "Delta Connection" and the other is not. Many of you caught that the airplane on the runway, which is the one facing to the left in the picture above, is in fact a mainline Delta B717. The Delta Connection airplane really is an RJ, in this case a CRJ9 operated by SkyWest.

To some of you, the B717 may look very familiar -- though you don't remember it as a Boeing product. It takes very little imagination for this to look like the DC9's almost-identical twin. Which, in a manner of speaking, is pretty much what it is. The B717 is essentially a shortened version of the McDonnell Douglas MD-90 (which Delta also flies, although not into LAX right now). This model was to be called the MD-95, but Boeing took over before it went into production. The MD-90 was a revised and improved model developed from the MD-80, and the MD-80 was itself an improved version of the DC-9. So in a real sense, this B717 is the final iteration of the DC-9.

This is not the first aircraft to be labelled a B717; prior to this a shortened version of the B707 wore the name for a short while before becoming what is now known as the B720. Before that, there was another model 717: the aircraft now known as the C-135 or KC-135. Boeing's internal model designation for the C/KC-135 series was the model 717.

This is not the first time we've seen B717s at LAX. It's been years, but we used to have Midwest B717s. Here's one from May of 2008, along with a Delta MD-88:

Before Midwest, AirTran operated B717s at LAX for a short while. The B717 is not a long-range airplane; LAX to Atlanta was too far, so they went into DFW. This was before AirTran added the B737 to their fleet; once those aircraft came online, LAX to Atlanta nonstops became a reality, and the AirTran B717s left LAX.

Except now they're back, flying for Delta. If you look closely, you can see that the Delta B717s all have tail numbers ending in "AT"; these were AirTran airplanes until Southwest took over AirTran. Southwest opted not to add a second aircraft type to its fleet, and so the B717s were sold off. They didn't have to go very far, though: AirTran and Delta both used Atlanta as a home base.

Since early this month at LAX, Delta is using the B717s on regional routes, mostly up and down the coast -- on routes that have often been served (and in most cases, still are) by SkyWest CRJs and/or Compass E175s.  The B717 is bigger than the largest of these, the CRJ9 -- but just barely. I won't go into comparing all the specifications, although I will give you links for them below. The most important (from an airline perspective) number is passenger seating: Delta's B717s are configured for 110 passengers; the CRJ9s that SkyWest flies for Delta are set up for 76 passengers. Going the other direction, the next largest airplane in the mainline Delta fleet are the Boeing B737-700 and the Airbus A319. These seat 124 and 126 passengers, respectively, but neither of these are seen at LAX very much.

Since this has become pretty much an entry about Delta, I'll close with one more photo from the archives -- one that features three Delta aircraft that are no longer seen at LAX:

From the top: B767-400; MD-90; E145 flown by Express Jet as Delta Connection


Delta B717

Delta CRJ9

Delta CRJ7

Delta E175

Delta A319

Delta B737

Delta fleet

Wikipedia B717

Boeing B717


  1. It may get confusing if mainline Delta starts flying the Embraers they just bought

  2. I was just going to write that I thought it strange that on picture PDL5110022.JPG it looked that the BR700 ( engine of the Midwest Boeing 717 ) looked like it had larger diameter than the IAE of the Delta MD-90.
    Then I thought to check the FAA registry.
    It says that the aircaft is an MD-88 ( which is powered by a version of the Pratt&Whitney JT8D-200).
    So it is not surprising that the diameter of het 717s engine is larger than that of a Md-88.

    The pic below that ( PDL5150198.JPG ) with the 767-400 does show a MD90 ( N901DA ).

    On another page, I found the answer to an earlier question: a Boeing 717 does not have the integral airstairs all other versions of the DC-9 have!

    I am looking forward to the promised piece about on regional jets.

    1. Doh! That's what comes from working on blog entries at midnight after a full day. Correction made - thanks!

  3. Its such a pleasure to see the 717 flying out of LAX again. I used to work for Midwest at LAX and that airframe has always been one of my favorites. Thanks for keeping the blog going, I really enjoy it.

  4. FL leased the 717 from Boeing, and WN is subleasing them to DL and they paid for the conversion just to get rid of them. I believe it's a DC-9-30 with the wing of a 40? Such a nice, quiet, modern airplane without some of the "antique" noise that the -88 and -80 make!